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"Propaganda" or "Glenn Beck's special"

I didn't get a chance to watch this on CNN when it aired the other night... but fortunately it's been uploaded to You Tube. Considering the nature of the program I don't think Glenn would mind.

Watching it...watching the 3 year old telling the interviewer that Jews are apes and pigs... the crowds screaming for the blood of US and UK citizens...the cartoons created for their children glorifying suicide bomging and what Ahaminijab tells the UN...and what he tells his own people when he thinks the West isn't looking... it made my blood run cold.

A quote that's staying with me comes from a Holocaust survivor:

"When someone says they want to exterminate you...take them seriously."

Go watch it.

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swampfaye
Nov. 17th, 2006 11:40 am (UTC)
I watched that yesterday too.

The scariest thing is all the similarities to WWII (I've been studying US histody this semester) - and each time I read something that sounds exactly like what's going on, I get chills and wonder - "Doesn't anyone else see this???"
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swampfaye
Nov. 18th, 2006 12:34 pm (UTC)
I wasn't referring to the Germans, actually, I was referring to the Japanese. The Japanese believed their attack on Pearl Harbor would draw us out and that they would be able to engage in a short conflict before we withdrew. Then they could continue with their conquest of the Pacific and Asia (and continue to torture the Chinese). This is historical fact that can be read in any number of books on Pearl Harbor.

The Japanese underestimated American resolve.

It's a shame the Terrorists were right about it.

Then there is also the civil rights aspect:

Just as a woman... how can any woman support the withdraw from Iraq and the middle east? Do we not understand what they do to women under Militant Islam? Even in Europe there are hundreds of 'honor killings' of women a year. These are mostly women! You can not drive a car, you can not vote, you can not go outside your house unescorted BY A MAN.

I don't know - doesn't seem hysterical to me to want freedom for my sisters.
elanswer
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:16 am (UTC)
This wasn't how it was in Iraq until after we went there and messed everything up.
swampfaye
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:22 am (UTC)
Sadam Hussein had everything under control? Everyone was doing well then? Women could vote and there were no honor killings?
elanswer
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:28 am (UTC)
Women COULD vote under Saddam Hussein. There were honor killings back then, just as there are now. Oh, and there are (multiple) daily mass murders now too.
swampfaye
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:44 am (UTC)
You should check out the mass graves - http://www.cpa-iraq.org/human_rights/Mass_Graves.htm there were mass murders then too. Honor killings are not legal under the current government. That is Shai riah law. Women couldn't vote without a man present... not exactly like you think of voting here in the states.
elanswer
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:55 am (UTC)
I know that. But again, sometimes multiple, and just about daily now. Honor killings not legal under the current government? Not disagreeing, didn't know that, can you provide a source? Voting never really meant much under Saddam Hussein anyway.

My mother would never want to vote without me present here either.
swampfaye
Nov. 19th, 2006 11:27 am (UTC)
My mother would never want to vote without me present here either.

THat's illegal... Unless you are an eleciton official
elanswer
Nov. 20th, 2006 02:38 am (UTC)
Whatever, the folks at the polling place (without any prompting from me whatsoever) asked me, "Are you going to be going into the booth with your mother? Ok, let me get you your ballot too. Just make sure you don't mix them together."
swampfaye
Nov. 20th, 2006 12:42 pm (UTC)
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378314145&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

A Saudi court has sentenced a gang rape victim to 90 lashes of the whip because she was alone in a car with a man to whom she was not married.

The sentence was passed at the end of a trial in which the al- Qateef high criminal court convicted four Saudis convicted of the rape, sentencing them to prison terms and a total of 2,230 lashes.

The four, all married, were sentenced respectively to five years and 1,000 lashes, four years and 800 lashes, four years and 350 lashes, and one year and 80 lashes.

A fifth, married, man who was stated to have filmed the rape on his mobile phone still faces investigation. Two others alleged to have taken part in the rape evaded capture.

Saudi courts take marital status into account in sexual crimes. A male friend of the rape victim was also sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone with her in the car.

The court heard that the victim and her friend were followed by the assailants to their car, kidnapped and taken to a remote farm, where the raping occurred.

The victim was quoted by Okaz newspaper as saying she had expected harsher penalties for the assailants, especially as they had pleaded not guilty.

Her husband and family said that they would appeal to the court Saturday for harsher penalties for a crime which has shocked public opinion in Saudi Arabia and been the subject of months of debate.

elanswer
Nov. 20th, 2006 09:43 pm (UTC)
Yes, horrible according to our sensibilities, but what was your point? Remember the article is talking about Saudi Arabia.
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swampfaye
Nov. 20th, 2006 03:42 am (UTC)
There is no shame in supporting other people in their struggle for freedom and democracy. It took women over 150 years to get the right to vote. What makes people think that a 3rd world country will fix itself in 3 years?

I'm sorry I don't agree with your points. I can't even really understand them. There is a lack of will - but it isn't the fault of the Iraqi people that Americans would rather experience more war at home, than keep the war half a world away.
elanswer
Nov. 18th, 2006 08:03 am (UTC)
It's funny, because American three-year-olds say the same things about other different people.
swampfaye
Nov. 18th, 2006 12:36 pm (UTC)
You know three year olds who say that? Where do you live? I've worked in Day Care and the Nursery and the worst I ever heard them say to each other was "stupid"
elanswer
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:14 am (UTC)
Remember that the three-year-old was prompted.
swampfaye
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:21 am (UTC)
I didn't hear the 3 year old prompted to say 'pigs' - but in any case - if WE did something like that on NATIONAL television, I would expect the world to be outraged, and rightly so.
elanswer
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:25 am (UTC)
No no no, I agree with you that the child was not prompted to say "pigs and apes" or whatever... (and yes, that probably came from parents/propaganda/etc.) but the child did not just randomly say "I think Jews and Christians are apes and pigs" - it was in response to a specific question "What do you think about Jews and Christians?" to which, at least in this child's teachings, there was only one correct answer.

And probably if we did something like that, yes, world outrage, yes... but then we are Americans and the world probably is used to us being coarse and crude by now, so maybe not.
swampfaye
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:26 am (UTC)
btw... i love nightcrawler...
elanswer
Nov. 19th, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)
Sweet! How about Donatello?
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