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We'll lay off the weird body parts questions for today. Now it's time to pick your living locations.

Poll #773614 North Korea or Iran...

For an entire year you have to live ... in one of these; North Korea or Iran?

North Korea
12(54.5%)
Iran
10(45.5%)

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clymerchick
Jul. 19th, 2006 10:23 pm (UTC)
ah, where to die...
Either place I'm going to stick out like a foreigner... So I'd be living inside for a full year (IF I survived the year.) I don't think either place is listed in many travel brochures right now. And I'm pretty sure that the US Embassy wouldn't recommend either move at this time. ;)
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:32 am (UTC)
Re: ah, where to die...
I don't know that there is even a US embassy in either country.
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:35 am (UTC)
Re: ah, where to die...
If you cover yourself from head to toe in a burka, you might not stick out so much. :)
clymerchick
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
Re: ah, where to die...
I thought of that... but MAN that sounds hot.
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:41 pm (UTC)
Re: ah, where to die...
I doubt it's so bad. It's probably well-suited for the desert. Keeps the hot sun off and there's plenty of room underneat for air. Just don't wear black. Wear light colors. There's a reason that flowing robes are the clothing of choice in desert cultures--for men and women.
swampfaye
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:08 am (UTC)
Almost not even a worthy question if you are a woman... don't you think?
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:35 am (UTC)
I don't know. I think, even for a woman, it's probably tilted considerably towards Iran.
swampfaye
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:02 am (UTC)
Based on what evidence?
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:25 pm (UTC)
For me, food comes higher on the priority of needs than does the freedom to wear a miniskirt. Or even to bare arms. North Korea's often undergoing famine conditions--another one is forcast for this winter. I've heard too many stories of people having to resort to eating tree bark for me to want to live there (well, not that I would, anyway).

And, for whatever you hearing Iran doing to oppress women (and there are some bastions of more liberal areas of Iran; it has a middle class and a merchant class that do live a more liberal lifestyle, especially in areas of Tehran), North Korea's not exactly a bastion of liberalism itself. If we don't hear much of North Korea, it's probably because it's a more totalitarian state and more able to control the news that gets out.

Iran is a richer country, by far. It has a reliable energy grid (I assume it's reliable, and I'm sure it's much more reliable than North Korea's) so one would be able to do things like live in air conditioning, watch TV (including some foreign stations via satellite) and get on the internet (although I imagine there is some censorship).
swampfaye
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:57 pm (UTC)
You couldn't be a Christian, you can hardly be human, if you are a woman. What good is civilzation if you are a slave?
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 05:17 pm (UTC)
And you could be Christian in communist North Korea?

I'd guess that in Iran, it's not illegal to be a Christian. Maybe to practice openly (like wearing a cross or something) or to try to convert.

What evidence do you have that Iranians are all slaves? Or even that female Iranians are slaves?

This is interesting. I'm looking at the CIA's figures, and North Korea actually has a slightly higher life expectancy than Iran, and a lower infant mortality. Under religion, it says "autonomous religious activities now almost nonexistent; government-sponsored religious groups exist to provide illusion of religious freedom" for North Korea and that 2% of Iran's population is Christian. There's a 99% literacy rate in North Korea, and only 80% in Iran (73% for women).

According to the CIA, "massive international food aid deliveries have allowed the people of North Korea to escape mass starvation since famine threatened in 1995, but the population continues to suffer from prolonged malnutrition and poor living conditions." There's no threat of starvation in Iran. Not only that, but in December 2005, North Korea announced that they would "terminate all international humanitarian assistance operations" and "restrict the activities of international and non-governmental aid organizations such as the World Food Program."

I'm not saying that Iran's the best place. It's just that North Korea is worse.
swampfaye
Jul. 20th, 2006 05:40 pm (UTC)
I'm just saying, if you are a woman - you've just made my point - lower infant mortality means better women's health. Plus, you don't have to worry about some relative killing you, they expect you to do it yourself. I think I'd rather be hungry than live in constant fear, that's my personal opinon. A woman, a mother, a sister, in Iran, even if you are Muslim, lives in fear. I can imagine my greatest hope is eating three meals a day to live well. I can't fathom my greatest hope being my child or husband dies a martyr for my family to live well- I just can't.
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 05:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, some of those statistics kind of surprised me.
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:33 am (UTC)
At least Iran has food and a somewhat reliable energy grid.

I've heard stories about famines in North Korea and eating tree bark. I haven't heard such bad things about Iran.
tiwonge
Jul. 20th, 2006 01:39 am (UTC)
Oh, wait. Can I pick the year? North Korea, circa 1900 or maybe Iran circa 1970 or 1975?
firynze
Jul. 20th, 2006 04:09 am (UTC)
Iran. I could blend in reasonably well if veiled, and I know enough of the culture to, er, not insult anyone horribly and get beheaded. All I'd have to do is make sure that my male escort spoke both Arabic and English until I picked up Arabic and Farsi.

North Korea, I'd be killed inside of an hour, guaranteed. Plus, it doesn't have the pretty digs I'd love to poke around. Iran, I'd probably get beheaded for it unless I managed to do drag REALLY well, but it'd be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for an archaeoethnologist with a slight background in Persian culture.
deronimo
Jul. 21st, 2006 02:54 am (UTC)
Either way, I think I'd die within a week.
olly_q
Jul. 21st, 2006 04:24 am (UTC)
tough choics. i pick Iran.
I think it would be interestign to go to wither place and you can indeed travel to them. I guess I'd pick Iran because it's not quite as opressed and the mountain ranges look beautiful. Or the plains near the Caspian Sea. Two years ago i worked with an Iranian animator (who had a masters in animation from a university in Iran you can't even get an aniamtion masters degree in Canada!!). He and his wife had just come up to Toronto for a couple of months on holiday and while he was here he was the lead animator on this project, ( music video) for a little while as a favour to a friend, while his wife toured around the city. I've never met anyone from North Korea just "visiting" Toronto. Also I've seen a few films from Iran at film festivals with varied subject matters.. I think North Korea produces mostly just propoganda flicks... and I've never seen one out at a festival. So that's why I would pick Iran. I wouldn't want to live in either place permanently but I'd love to live in either place for a year it would be interesting.
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